Some new details have emerged about NYC’s now infamous, face-crawling subway rat. ABC News interviewed Jeffrey Forde, the cameraman who shot the video and he said at first, he took a still picture of the rodent as it crawled onto the sleeping guy’s lap. And that’s when he sprung into action! No, he didn’t wake the man and tell him a big rat was cuddling up to him, he switched his camera over to video just in case it happened again, which of course it did.

Remarkably, after the gruesome encounter, Forde says the man “went back to sleep like it was so routine to him, he went back to sleep.”